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Now we can have sex without children, and children without sex. Marriage is totally unnecessary.

Our world is sad indeed.

I had avoided saying it in this post but have told several people before. There are three reasons for sex:

<ol>
<li>To consummate a marriage</li>
<li>To have children</li>
<li>Pleasure/recreation</li>
</ol>

You cannot separate those three. There is always a failure rate when you try. Far from helping us in any way, the attempt is pushing us toward depopulation…

So if God built us to generally pursue marriage, then wouldn’t it simplify things to follow the “clock” He gave us to pursue it with whomever He put around us as options at the time and then expect that the relationship He brought together actually modifies/forms what He wants us to do with our combined lives? I question putting ministry “dreams” in the way of a working relationship.

Maybe this would be a useful artificial situation to consider. Maybe there’s a girl that would have a reclusive, non-impactful life. Then there’s this guy that could go out in the bush and potentially start a small church. But combined they would have the same direct impact on number of people saved (but not in a third world), and have a couple kids where one of them went out to the bush.

Can we really decide what our lives are going to be or accomplish? Is that really a major factor to who we should marry? Sure, let’s share dreams and aspirations and find out if there’s some compatibility there, but I’ve been bugged by some sort of “ideal” standard of making sure a future spouse and you have the same exact vision for the future…people change…I’ve changed a lot. If she’s “wonderful for you” and you are both committed to following God…what’s the problem?

I mostly agree. Despite my post about what a “calling” means (and that is more recent than this post—my views have changed a little), I still believe that God does specifically tell certain individuals to perform a certain task. Should they obey the direct command or the desire to marry? Would it be wise to take into account how the spouse would put up with the mission? Or should the person marry and then inform their spouse of what they intend to do?

I’m a bit hesitant about the idea of a “direct command”. If you have the desire to marry I would give that as much weight as any calling I can think of (for several reasons). It is wise to take it into account; nothing I’m saying precludes sharing it in advance.

I might consider this wording: “evaluating the gifts and preparation God has done in my life, I’m seeing that I will be pursuing a path of ministry to do such-and-such. What do you think of that?” If the person says “I don’t see that ever happening for me” then I would significantly evaluate what I thought my direction was and also ask the other person to reconsider their position (at least to the point of agreeing that it might be something that would happen).

I remember a missionary in the church I attended in Little Rock correcting someone that said “it’s so nice you were both called to the mission field”: she said that her husband was called (I know our discussion on this word…but I didn’t want to take the time to try and avoid it—and I think it actually was the word she used), and she was obedient and supported him and followed.

So the wife needs to be willing to follow the lead of the husband in such an endeavor, but does not necessarily need the same kind of direction to have been impressed upon her.

My life has definately not taken the path it would have taken if I had not gotten married (or even not married the specific person that I married), but by staying faithful to follow God it has been way beyond anything I could have ever expected to accomplish (realistically looking at what I was as a person). I have one of the cheesiest moments and some of the flimsiest logic in some of my thought processes leading to marriage and God worked through all of them to do something I will forever be in awe of.

I would be one of those wackos who believes that God does speak audibly to people on occasion—as happened to Samuel or during Paul’s conversion. At the same time, even Paul had to resort to the interpretation of dreams when the Holy Spirit would not let him go into Asia. It is pretty rare and we were given our brains for a reason. No, I am not a fan of interpreting every dream. I know of a couple women who have married because of dreams… bad situations. Discernment is required. Unfortunately it is easier to tell everyone to “pay no attention” than to teach them how to discern. I have meant to balance the “calling” post with that but have not done it yet.

In general, I agree that we should look for what we are capable of and then do it. If the spouses do not agree on what that is then they do need to seek God. One or both are wrong (one of my former pastors made that point as well).

It can go the other way also, where the wife feels that she needs to do something and her husband supports her in that. Such was the case with one woman who housed Elisha.

Or there is the infamous story of Jim Elliot, who required his wife to take on his mission. Other missionaries that I have known told their children to move back to this country when they turned 18, because the parents’ mission field was not the childrens’. I’m not sure exactly what I think about that second example as it could be abused into teaching the kids not to care about the people their parents are ministering to.

After marriage, you make decisions together and they should be different from the decisions you would have made as an individual (if you agree on everything, one of you is useless raspberry). With that said, if I am right above about God speaking directly to individuals on occasion, there are some situations where less flexibility is possible. That is largely what my reference was toward.

I look forward to your post on discerning; I’ve been wondering of late why so large a group of people is confidant that some things mentioned in the NT are no longer occurring. You hit on a useful thing to say that it’s an easier road. Discernment is difficult.

With my background I’m very predisposed to object to anyone that claims direct revelation because of how easily it can be misused. But based on what I started with above I am willing to listen and potentially refine my understanding.

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