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Chris, although we are not Calvinist, I do agree with J. McCarther.  I have read the book, Charismatic Chaos years ago & the Lord did use it in our lives. Another man you mention is Walter Martin, I do agree with much of what he says, except he has a slant on being a Catholic sympathizer. Which I cannot be, being that I was saved out of Catholicism.

Scripture has ceased, there is no more revelation. This is the danger of the Charismatic movement. All the emotion that is wrapped into it & the “gift” of tongues is to be present for this movement. It is an unknown language.  I had a friend & also my mother who today will still claim that they were able to turn the tongue that they spoke on & off. Almost done as “peer pressure”  Today, they see that it was a false spirit.

There are those who will claim that then would not truly be a god-given tongue.  Satan comes as an angle of light.  The scriptures tell us to test the spirits.  I dont have the time to sit with scripture at this point. I certainly will look them up later in the day.

He is not a God of confusion. Usually with tongues there is confusion. That concerns me. If tongues is to be a gift, why dont the scriptures repeat it. Why is it only mentioned in passing?  Who spoke tongues?  Why was Corinth a carnal church at the time? 

Im adding my 2 cents….you know I appreciate what you have to say. I wanted to jump in this discussion being that it is something I have studied out along with my husband years back.

Rejoicing in Him, Patrizia

I have not read MacArthur’s book on this subject yet, but I have read several other books. Even the ones in favor of Pentecostalism do differ from most of what is taught today. For instance, Frank Bartleman (who wrote “Azuza Street”) said that in his research, tongues was a sign that the life had been completely dedicated to God. Today we approach it in a cavalier manner. While most pastors say that you should seek the giver of the gifts, ultimately the belief is that if you cease to seek the gifts then you won’t receive them. This is something I have strong reservations about.

Next time I see you, we’ll have to get out our Bibles. We could have some great conversations.

Interesting post. Really like the last quote. Thanks for sharing!

I enjoyed that, it flowed along nicely. Thanks for the thoughts and information.

I was a bit disappointed that you took up a little different topic than I had first expected. That is, I first expected not the tongues/gifts topic, but rather a seemingly unrelated question—does God speak to the individual believer’s heart regarding His unique plan or guidance for an individual believer. The opposing idea being that God has given us His Word and it’s up to us to apply it and follow it as best we can, without special application by the Spirit.

You touched on this in the middle, with the question of whether anyone has a personal or limited mission from God, and the evidence from Paul’s life to say “yes.”

Thanks again.

This post is almost a “Part 2” for the one about a “Calling.” The two go hand-in-hand but this part is much harder to explain (and so it has come much later), given the strength of conviction on each side. The primary intent was God speaking to individuals, even if it is tied to other miracles. Direct revelation/tongues/miracles are almost impossible to discuss separately.

Even with so-called direct revelation, we are assumed to search the Scriptures. Daniel 9 is probably my favorite reference for that. Paul had times when he was not given specific direction but was told what not to do (Acts 16). We were given minds for a reason, and God expects us to use them.

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